D30 Trimshamsa — Subconscious Disease, D7 Children & Jupiter's Signs

Disease is a three-step process: D-30 shows the subconscious root, D-6 the weak tissue, the Rasi chart what is suffered. D-30 works on the subconscious plane and shows the Shadripus — kama, krodha, lobha, moha, mada, matsarya — each defined as the teacher defines it; mada is fanaticism, not alcohol. Then her Saptamsa (D-7): Venus, Mercury and Saturn all in trines deny children, one or two only make it difficult. The 5th lord of the Rasi chart is judged in D-7, and where a sign has two lords the one sitting in it gives way to the other — so Rahu, in the 6th, rules her Aquarius. Jupiter in the 5th of D-7 would bless, but as 6th lord of the Rasi chart he owns the 2nd from the 5th and denies. The page ends with Jupiter's two signs: Sagittarius, fiery dharma on duty; Pisces, the Maharshi at peace.

Key principle

Don't think that mind and body are two different things. They are totally interlinked. The emotions that your subconscious mind goes through have a very visible impact on your body.

Example Chart

M.S. Subbalakshmi
Sep 16, 1916 · 9:30 AM IST · Madurai
D-7, Aquarius lagna: Saturn in lagna — the only one of Venus (3rd), Mercury (8th) and Saturn in a trine. Aquarius is also the 5th of her Rasi chart; with Saturn in it, Rahu is taken as its lord, and Rahu is in Cancer, the 6th. Jupiter is in Gemini, the 5th of D-7, but in the Rasi chart he is 6th lord — the 2nd from the 5th. The class does not read her D-30. Her D-10 Arudha Lagna in Sagittarius is what prompts the Sagittarius–Pisces comparison.
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D-30 (Trimshamsa) — Subconscious Level of Disease

Why D-30 Is Read With D-6

  • Remove multiples of 12 from 30 and you get 6. D-30 is also based on the 6th house. Like D-6 it shows sickness and weakness.
  • The difference is the plane:
    • D-1 to D-12 — physical.
    • D-13 to D-24 — mental: consciousness, intellect, mind.
    • D-25 to D-36 — subconscious. You do not feel it, yet it runs your existence.
  • D-30 shows the subconscious weaknesses.

Somebody has strong pitta and a lot of acid. Why is pitta strong? Being angry increases it — subconsciously always disturbed, agitated, not at peace.

The Shadripus

ShadripuMeaning as taught
KamaDesire. Not necessarily sex.
KrodhaAnger — basically irritability.
LobhaGreed. You don't want to share. You want everything for yourself.
MohaLiterally illusion. The illusion that you are doing some great thing. Wanting people to think you are great, to recognise that what you did is good.
MadaGoing to any extent to get what you want. Fanaticism — losing logical thinking.
MatsaryaNot recognising other people as part of the same supreme Atma. Taking them as different, being jealous of what they do, thinking you should be better than them.

On Mada: a student offers "pride". Some dictionaries give "intoxication", and some scholars take it as addiction to alcohol. PVNR disagrees. The Shadripus do not include alcohol or cigarettes. They are not physical weaknesses. They are subconscious impulses.

One Level Below D-6

D-30 does not show the nerve marrow drying, the bone depleting or the muscle weakening. It shows why that is happening in Shashtamsa. There is a subconscious reason.

"Don't think that mind and body are two different things. They are totally interlinked. The emotions that your mind goes through, the emotions that your subconscious mind goes through, they have a very visible impact on your body."

  • You think "How can he say that about me? That's bad. I'm mad." Those thoughts produce chemicals in the brain. They are carried through the body and have a physical effect.
  • Ayurveda says this. Western medicine is slowly beginning to recognise it.

The Three Steps

  1. D-30 — the root cause of all disease at the subconscious level.
  2. D-6 — how it shows at the physical level: the weak tissues.
  3. Rasi — what you suffer physically because of these weaknesses.

"It's a 3-step process. The disease is a 3-step process. To master it, you have to master the 3 steps."

A student asks what matters most in D-6 and D-30. Weaknesses in lagna, and the 6th and 8th houses — the dusthanas. Mandi is also very important in these charts.

What Is Classical and What Is Not

D-30 is left for a later class. PVNR is plain about the sources: there are karakas and houses you can use in this chart, but no classical dictum for them. The karakas come from Sanjay Rath's teaching and the houses from PVNR's own research. What the classics do make clear is that this chart shows the Shadripus.

Her Charts So Far

Little is known of her diseases. What is known fits. On what the class has seen, the chart is in all likelihood close to accurate.


D-7 (Saptamsa) — Analysis for Children

The last fifteen minutes. Her Saptamsa is taken up because she had no children.

D-7 lagna is Aquarius with Saturn in it. Jupiter is in Gemini (5th). Rahu is in Cancer (6th). Venus is in the 3rd, Mercury in the 8th.

Venus, Mercury and Saturn in Trines

  • These three planets deny children. In trines of the Saptamsa they are bad.
  • All three in trines: "forget it" — very unlikely to have children. Jayalalitha has all three in trines.
  • One of them in a trine: some difficulty, but children are still possible.
  • Two of them: still some difficulty, still possible.

"The clear rule is actually all the three. If we use only one or two, it is our research. The clear rule is all the three being in trine, then no children."

Here only Saturn is in a trine — the 1st house counts as a trine. So this rule alone does not deny her children.

First Question: Children or Not

Seeing individual children is secondary. First see whether there are children at all.

  • In the Rasi chart the 5th house shows children. From Libra the 5th is Aquarius.
  • Take the 5th lord of the Rasi chart and see how strong he is in the Saptamsa. (The same method as the 10th lord in Dasamsa and the 9th lord in Navamsa — see Part 5.)

Two Lords — Which One

Aquarius has two lords, Saturn and Rahu. The stronger one dominates.

  • Judge the lordship in the divisional chart you are reading, not in Rasi. If you fix Saturn because he is stronger in Rasi, you use Saturn in every division. Judged division by division, it is Saturn in some and Rahu in others.
  • The first rule: if one of the two is in the sign itself, take the other as the lord. This is the same rule used for finding an arudha or for Narayana dasha.
  • A student proposes a reason. PVNR: "I don't really know the reason." You can make up an intuitive one — his wife is at home all the time and he is at the office most of the time, yet he is the ruler of the house. He does not claim it is the true reason.
  • Only after that do you count how many planets each is with. Even if Saturn in Aquarius were with every planet except Rahu, Rahu would still be taken as lord of Aquarius.

In Her Saptamsa

  • Saturn is in Aquarius. So Rahu is taken as lord of Aquarius.
  • Aquarius is both the D-7 lagna and the 5th house of the Rasi chart. Rahu is in the 6th house of D-7.
  • Lord of lagna in the 6th, and the Rasi 5th lord in the 6th of Saptamsa. It does not show great happiness with children.

Jupiter in the 5th of D-7

Other factors do suggest children. Jupiter in the 5th of Saptamsa is a good blessing.

But this Jupiter is the 6th lord of the Rasi chart. The 6th is the 2nd from the 5th.

"Jupiter is the karaka for children, but what house does Jupiter rule in Rasi chart? The 2nd from the 5th. So he is basically killer house of children."

He is the one who denies children. (The recording ends here.)


Sagittarius vs Pisces — Jupiter's Sign Philosophy (Detailed)

(Taught while reading the Arudha Lagna of D-10, which is in Sagittarius.)

"When Jupiter is in Pisces, he is like a Brahmin who is relaxed at his house doing his puja."

In Sagittarius he is like a raja-purohita, the royal priest, doing his duty.

Sagittarius — the 9th house of the natural zodiac, with Aries as lagna of the Kalapurusha. It is dharma, and the fiery part of dharma: upholding it. Sattvic, and still one of the three agni tattva signs with Aries and Leo. "Upholding dharma sometimes may have to be aggressive. That is why it is fiery sign." More than sattvic, it is righteous and principled.

Pisces — relaxed, peaceful. The sign of a Maharshi.

Moolatrikona is the sign where a planet acts from duty. Own sign is a man relaxed at his own house. Moolatrikona is a man at his work, duty-minded. Exaltation is a man at his favourite party. Jupiter's Moolatrikona is Sagittarius because he feels duty-minded there.

With the Arudha Lagna of her Dasamsa in Sagittarius and Moon in it, her image is that of somebody very dharmic, righteous and principled — "it's basically principledness" — and, with Jupiter's influence, pious and peaceful.


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