D7 Children (Complete), D3 Siblings & Marana Karaka Sthana Table

Saptamsa (D-7) — Complete Child Analysis

Saptamsa lagna: Cancer. Sun in Scorpio in the 5th; Rahu in Sagittarius in the 6th; Mars in Capricorn in the 7th; Jupiter and Saturn in Pisces in the 9th; Venus and Ketu in Gemini in the 12th.

The native has a son, then another son, then a daughter.

Step 1: Fortune with Children — Before Counting

1. First, the strength in Saptamsa of the 5th lord of the Rasi chart
2. Second, the strength of the 5th lord of the Saptamsa itself

The 5th lord because he is a man. For a woman, take the 9th lord.

In this chart:

• 5th lord of Rasi = Sun. In Saptamsa he is in Scorpio — in a trine, in a friendly sign. Strong.
• 5th lords of Saptamsa (Scorpio) = Mars and Ketu. Mars is exalted.
• He is very fortunate with children. No major problem.

The warning: the 5th lord of Saptamsa in the 6th, or the 5th lord of Rasi in the 6th of Saptamsa, or both → some misfortune. No children at all, or delay, or some problem after they are born. Then you need not even count them.

Step 2: Counting the Children

• Saptamsa lagna in an even sign → count backward. Cancer is even.
• First child: the 5th counted backward — Cancer, Gemini, Taurus, Aries, Pisces
• Each next child: the 3rd backward from the previous one
• For twins, the second twin takes the next house in the count

Rules for the Sex of a Child

1. The sign where the lord of the child's house sits. Odd signs show male children, even signs female. Exceptions: Gemini and Cancer exchange, Aquarius and Pisces exchange — so Gemini and Aquarius are female, Cancer and Pisces male.
2. The planets with that lord. Saturn is neutral: he can show either, and tends more to female. Venus and Moon show female.
3. The lord himself is the tiebreaker, used at the end — not at the beginning.

Rasi drishti is not used at all here. Only the sign, and the planets the lord is with.

"Your logic was: Jupiter, so male child. That's bad logic. The logic is: Pisces, so male child. Saturn, so probably female child. And tiebreaker is Jupiter. Jupiter means male child."

PVNR adds that sex judged from Saptamsa works every time; from Drekkana it does not (Part 8).

First Child

• House: Pisces. Lord Jupiter is in Pisces itself, with Saturn.
• Sign Pisces → male
• Saturn with him → could be female
• Tiebreaker Jupiter → male. And the lord, being right there in his own sign, influences Saturn.
• A son — at about 80% confidence, because Saturn can give female children
• Had Jupiter been with Moon there, PVNR would have said daughter with a lot of confidence
• Had he been with Venus there, Venus would normally say daughter — but Venus is exalted in Pisces, so it is a boy again. The same holds for Jupiter with Moon in Taurus: Moon is exalted there and shows a male.

Second Child

• House: 3rd backward from Pisces = Capricorn. Read its lord, Saturn — not Mars, who occupies the sign.
• Saturn is in Pisces with Jupiter. This time the planet with the lord is Jupiter → male. The sign is Pisces → male.
• Either way it is male. A boy, with 100% confidence.

Third Child — Jumping Over Rahu

The 3rd backward from Capricorn is Scorpio, and Rahu in Sagittarius stands in between. The count has to jump over Rahu.

• Usually the count ends at Rahu. Or it jumps over him, gives one more child, and that is the end of it.
• For the jump there has to be a strong influence there — usually Jupiter or Venus
• Here Sun, the 5th lord of the Rasi chart, sits in Scorpio in a trine from lagna, and Jupiter has graha drishti on him. Sun and Jupiter join forces.
• Rahu is in Jupiter's house, so Jupiter reins him in and lets Sun give another child
• PVNR is plain that this is a border case. Given the chart cold, a third child would be tough to predict.

"Usually when you see jumping over Rahu, either it will not happen, or if it happens, it happens with a lot of effort, a lot of blessings of God, blessings of the gurus. And if it happens, it just ends there."

Which Lord of Scorpio Gives the Child

Scorpio has two lords, Mars and Ketu. The rules for choosing, in order:

1. Whoever is with more planets
2. If that ties: whoever receives rasi drishti from more of these three — Jupiter, Mercury, and his own dispositor
3. If that ties: whoever is exalted

There are more rules, but these three usually break the tie.

• Mars is alone in Capricorn. Ketu is with Venus in Gemini. Ketu wins on the first rule.
• Sign Gemini → female. Planet with the lord, Venus → female.
• A daughter — 100%. The native confirms, and adds that his daughter has Gemini lagna.

Venus in the Daughter's Chart

Venus did more than sit with Ketu. He is the reason Ketu won over Mars; otherwise Mars would have given the third child, and a different kind of child.

"In such a case, you can definitely expect a strong Venusian influence in the chart of the child."

• The native does not remember where Venus is in her chart and is asked to check. This point is left unconfirmed in class.
• The method: besides the sex and the dates of birth, correlate the children's own charts with the Saptamsa. There will be strong links, and they add confidence to the rectification.

Drekkana (D-3) — Siblings Analysis

Drekkana lagna: Leo. Jupiter in Virgo (2nd); Sun in Libra (3rd); Venus and Saturn in Scorpio (4th); Ketu in Capricorn (6th); Mars in Aries (9th); Moon and Mercury in Taurus (10th); Rahu in Cancer (12th).

The Drekkana lagna stays for about 40 minutes. It cannot narrow the birth time; it is read only to see that it generally makes sense.

Finding Each Sibling

• Younger siblings: the 3rd house, then the 3rd from that, and so on
• Elder siblings: the 11th house, then the 11th from that
• Take the lord of that house. The sign where the lord sits becomes the lagna of that sibling.
• Sex: from the sign the lord is in and the planets with him, as in Saptamsa

The Native's Siblings

Younger:

• 3rd = Libra; lord Venus is in Scorpio with Saturn. Female sign, female planet → a sister ✓. Read her from Scorpio.
• 3rd from the 3rd = Sagittarius; lord Jupiter is in Virgo with no planet, so go by the sign. Virgo is female → a sister ✓. Read her from Virgo.

Elder:

• Immediate elder (Gemini): lord Mercury is in Taurus with Moon. Moon would normally say female — but she is exalted → a brother ✓
• Next (Aries): Mars alone in his own sign. Male sign, male planet → a brother ✓
• Next (Aquarius): lord Saturn is with Venus in Scorpio → a sister ✓

The exaltation exception: an exalted planet shows a male; a debilitated planet shows a female.

Sex from Drekkana Is Not Dependable

Every sibling fits here. PVNR still warns:

"If you try to judge the sex of a sibling from Drekkana, I have seen counterexamples. I haven't seen it work 100% consistently. But you try to see the events in their lives, it works beautifully."

Even when the Drekkana is certainly right, the sex does not always work out. There are missing links.

The Younger Sister Who Died in Infancy

The native's immediate younger sister died at the age of two. Taking Scorpio as her lagna in his Drekkana:

• Mercury is her 8th lord (longevity) and sits in Taurus, the 7th
• The 8th lord in the 7th, or the 7th lord in the 8th, is a combination for Alpayu — short life. Example: Leo lagna with Jupiter, the 8th lord, in Aquarius. That by itself is bad.
• When the 8th lord is Mercury or Mars it is worse, because the 7th is their Marana Karaka Sthana

"Eighth lord being in the seventh, that too in Marana Karaka Sthana. So that means longevity is totally destroyed. Whichever lord is in Marana Karaka Sthana, that house is destroyed."

• Two more planets are in Marana Karaka Sthana from Scorpio: Sun in the 12th (Libra) and Saturn in lagna
• Three planets in MKS, the 8th lord among them
• What can be said: this is an Alpayu chart — she does not live long, less than 36 years. When exactly — two years or three — cannot be said from this.

Spouse of a Sibling — Use the Upapada

The second younger sister, read from Virgo, was discussed in an earlier class, her married life included. Here PVNR asks one thing: her first husband was a software engineer — does the chart show it?

• For the spouse of a sibling do not take the 7th from the sibling's lagna. Take the Upapada counted from it: the Arudha of the 12th from the sibling's lagna.
• The 12th from Virgo is Leo — the native's own lagna in this chart — so her Upapada is the native's Arudha Lagna: Sagittarius
• The first husband is read from the Upapada. A second husband would be read from the 8th from it.
• His career: the 10th from Sagittarius is Virgo, a sign of Mercury. Its lord Mercury is in the 6th from Sagittarius (Taurus), and that 6th is strong, with exalted Moon there too.
• Of the 2nd, 6th and 10th, the 6th is the strong one and the 10th lord is in it. The career is decided purely by Mercury.
• A software engineer — a logical, mathematical, analytical person ✓

Marana Karaka Sthana (MKS) — Complete Table

A student asks how to find the planets in Marana Karaka Sthana. PVNR dictates the table.

Complete MKS Positions

Mercury: 7th or 4th?

• There are classics that clearly say the 7th. Sanjay Rath originally taught the 7th and his books say the 7th.
• Later, in a private session, he gave the 4th, saying he had found it in a classic — he did not remember which. PVNR does not know his final view: "he is known to change two or three times just to test you."
• Both apparently have classical basis, so either can be taken
• By the logic of MKS the 4th does not fit. Mercury is a scholar. The 7th is relationships, being nice to people, public dealings — a scholar likes discourses and intellectual discussion and is no good at making friends. But the 4th is learning, which he loves and is very good at.

Why These Houses

• Saturn in lagna: the planet who likes to give disease and trouble is told to look after the person's health. He is unhappy there.
• Rahu in the 9th: a rogue put in a temple and told to be the priest

"These are positions where the planets are so unhappy that they have to focus all their energy on getting things done. So their primary responsibilities they forget. Whatever houses they own will be neglected."

"You put Rahu in a temple and tell him to be the priest. He has to go through so much effort to read all the mantras ten times and get them right. His agenda will be forgotten, because whatever little responsibility he is given is taking all his time."

What It Does

Whichever lord is in Marana Karaka Sthana, that house is destroyed.

• 4th lord in MKS → bad relations with the mother, or the mother dies very early. Some misfortune about the mother.
• 8th lord in MKS → longevity is hit. The person may not live long.

The 8th Lord in the 7th

• The 8th lord in the 7th (or the 7th lord in the 8th) is already a combination for short life, whatever the planet
• If that 8th lord is Mercury or Mars, the 7th is also his MKS — worse still
• This is the case of the native's sister in Part 8

In the Software, and in Derived Charts

• For the Rasi chart counted from lagna, the software lists the "planets in Marana Karaka Sthana" — in Jagannatha Hora, right-click the chart and choose that option
• For a derived lagna — a sibling's lagna inside the Drekkana — the software cannot help. Count the houses from that lagna by hand.