BPHS Ch.33 v39+: 5th from Karkamsa Skills (Sun/Mars=Warrior, Saturn=Archer/Patient, Rahu=Heavy Technology, Ketu=Precision Machinery, Venus=Poet, Moon+Jupiter=Great Author); CRITICAL: Venus > Jupiter for Eloquence (Jupiter=Elevated Only; Venus=Compassion for ALL); 5th also=Logic, Analysis, Music, Mathematics; 2nd=Skills Put to USE (10th from 5th)

Verse 39 — 5th from Karkamsa: Weapons and Machines

Context: Page 332, verse 39. The class is still on the 5th house from Karkamsa. The earlier verses gave diseases and the like. Now Parashara lists what the native "wears".

Why the 5th house

• The teacher asks what the common thread is. A student says "some kind of service". The teacher: the 5th house is ability.
• The 5th from Karkamsa shows the skill that comes as a result of Purva Punya.

Reading the weapons

"Today nobody wears a sword, nobody wears a spear. So these are all mostly symbolizing something else based on the nature of the planet."

• Sword and spear (Sun, Mars): weapons of contact war. You go near, you put yourself at risk, you fight. Sun and Mars are the Kshatriyas, the warrior planets. Today it need not be a sword: it may be someone in the situation room making the decisions, or someone on the battlefront.
• Bow (Saturn): also a warrior's weapon, but one that lets you fight from a distance, hidden. A student adds that it is a hunter's weapon. Saturn is a Shudra, not a Kshatriya. Kshatriyas are warriors and decision makers; Shudras execute. Saturn in the 5th from Karkamsa can show a foot soldier. One person in nine has Saturn there; they do not all carry bows.
• All three malefics, Sun, Mars and Saturn, can show skill in fighting and in inflicting pain on others.
• Rahu (loha yantra): heavy machinery and technology. In a fighter's chart, not a shooter but someone who handles a missile or some big machine. The teacher reads Rahu as fighting only because the lines before it were about fighting; it need not relate to war.
• Ketu (ghatika yantra): also a machine, a very sophisticated one. Both nodes show machinery, high technology. Ketu shows the subtle things, where there is some logic or analysis behind it. A student asks whether Ketu is the small and Rahu the big. The teacher: that is what this seems to indicate. Small and subtle things for Ketu, heavy things for Rahu.
• Venus: no fighting skill. Parashara shifts track: poet, eloquent, learned in literature. Skills of poetry and art. He can be a poet, an artist, a painter.

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Authors — Moon and Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter Alone

The next verse applies to Karkamsa itself or the 5th from it.

• The teacher notes it is not clear from the verse whether Moon and Jupiter must be together or may act separately.
• Jupiter alone: he has the knowledge, he can write well and organise his thoughts well in writing, but he has trouble communicating.
• This does not mean he cannot talk. He is Jupiter after all. It means he may not be able to express the essence of Veda and Vedanta to all and sundry. Someone with a comparable understanding follows him. To others it is Greek and Latin.

Why eloquence goes to Venus

A student asks what gives Venus a better quality of communication. The teacher: we normally take Jupiter and Mercury as the planets of speech, because of the 2nd house. But read Parashara impartially and he gives the quality of talking nicely to Venus (he called Venus Vagmi), not to Jupiter.

"He is the preceptor of the gods. And the thing is, if you need to communicate an idea to gods, it's easier, whereas if you need to communicate something to the demons, it's more difficult."

• Someone who teaches demons has to be a better communicator than someone who teaches gods.
• Communication is the skill of understanding the other person. If you blurt out what you know, however logical and brilliant it is in your own mind, and the other person follows none of it, you are not eloquent.
• A student adds that Venus is a micromanager. The teacher agrees: he shows micromanagement because he understands other people well. From that comes the ability to communicate.
• Jupiter does not want to teach demons. They are demons; they are not worth it. Venus has compassion even for demons. The gods are already being taught, so he devotes himself to the demons and tries to make them the best they can be.

"No wonder he is considered the greatest devotee of Shiva, because if you look at Shiva, he has compassion for all. He doesn't care about gods or demons. For him, everybody is a being."

• Shiva is accompanied by billions of tortured beings. Compassion for any being is his quality, and Shukra, his great devotee, has it from him.
• To communicate well you must put yourself in the other person's shoes: what he knows, what he is thinking, how he relates to things. Venus shows that better than Jupiter or Mercury.

Mercury, Venus, Jupiter — three kinds of communication

• Mercury: the learner, the student of Jupiter. His skill is grasping. With a strong Mercury, whatever the other person says, you understand it.
• Venus: whatever the level of the other person, you can communicate with him.
• Jupiter: you communicate, but so nicely that only nice people can follow it. Others may not appreciate what you are saying.

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More Results of the 5th from Karkamsa — Logic, Analysis, Music, Science

These verses continue the 5th from Karkamsa. The teacher applies every one of them to the 5th in the charts that follow. (The speech-to-text of the recording often prints "6th" for "5th" in this stretch.)

Nyaya and Mimamsa

• Both are logic. Nyaya is logic that reaches a conclusion. Mimamsa is analysis, putting forward the various arguments; a student calls it brainstorming.
• Mars makes a logician. Mercury makes an analyst.

Saturn — only one side of the coin

• Sabha = an assembly; jada = unmoving. Someone shy and dull in a gathering.
• A student asks whether Saturn does not bring out critical ability. The teacher: that is also possible. Parashara mentions only some results. One nature of Saturn is dullness. The other is calm and composed, able to judge correctly. Also persistence. Someone who patiently studies literature or patiently researches something is also Saturn.
• A student ties it back to the bow: with a sword you just go and fight, which is the aggression of Sun and Mars. With a bow you look carefully and take aim, because you shoot one arrow and must get it right. Saturn's quality is patience.
• Another student: a poet with the Sun there would write eulogising poetry with high-flown words; one with Saturn would be critical. The teacher: more laboured, but more slowly and more carefully constructed.

"Every coin has two sides. So for Saturn, he is only showing the negative coin here in this line."

Sun and Moon — music

• Gita here means song. It is not the Bhagavad Gita.
• Both Sun and Moon show music. Sun shows knowledge of rhythm. Moon shows knowledge of melody.
• For the Sun the word is "one who knows songs"; for the Moon it is "one who sings himself".

Moon — Sankhya Yoga and literature

• A student offers "numerology". Not exactly. Sankhya comes from the word for number, but an approximate translation is material science: there are three gunas, they combine in this way, this is created. You analyse the world logically from the material side. Kapila Maharshi advanced that understanding.
• Why Moon: the mind is by nature drawn towards objects. Looked at from the mind, the world is objects. Jupiter will not be swayed by them and says the objects are an illusion. Moon says: forget Vedanta, study the objects. Objective science is shown by Moon.
• Literature: Moon is a Saraswata planet. Appreciating a poem is a liquid quality. Solid has a fixed shape and is inflexible; liquid is flexible yet has some shape; air has none. Unless the mind is willing to be flexible it cannot appreciate poetry. Moon and Venus are the planets for understanding and appreciating literature. That is why Venus got Kavyajna and Moon gets Sahityajna.
• Creating literature is a different matter; the creative faculty is separate.

Rahu and Ketu — mathematics

• Ganita = mathematics. The teacher widens it: mathematics, general science, the advanced sciences.

Jupiter's link — Sampradaya

• If the 5th from Karkamsa has a link with Jupiter, there is Sampradaya-siddhi: the blessings of the parampara, knowledge attained from tradition.

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2nd from Karkamsa — The Skill Put to Use

Parashara: if the 2nd from Karkamsa has these combinations, say the same results.

The teacher asks why the 2nd house.

• A student: it has argala on Karkamsa. Another: the 2nd is resources, and it supplies resources to the Karaka. The teacher accepts this. Knowledge of melody, rhythm or mathematics is a resource to the soul.
• The teacher's own reading: the 2nd is the 10th from the 5th. The 10th is karma. The 10th from any house shows how that house is put to use.
• A student offers 5th from the 10th. The teacher: that works too. It is the skill needed for the work one does.
• Either way it is the link between the 5th and the 10th.

"5th house shows what skills you have. You may or may not use them. You just have the skill."

The 2nd house is the skill you actually use.

Karkamsa itself — the dharma of the skill

• A student recalls that the dharma of any house is the 9th from it. The 9th from the 5th is Karkamsa itself. That is why the verse said "in Karkamsa or in the 5th".
• Dharma shows only what should be done. What is actually done is the 10th, the karma. So the 2nd shows how the skill is put to use.

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What Karkamsa Shows — A Word of Caution

Before opening charts the teacher gives a caution.

• Say the 2nd from Karkamsa has Moon. By the verses he puts to use a skill in music, literature or objective knowledge.
• If this were Lagna you could say he has the skill and uses it. Karkamsa is not necessarily what you do or what you have.

"This is your sense of you, your sense of identity, your self-awareness, your self-identity. So that is what Karkamsa shows."

• It does not necessarily show a musician. It shows a soul that looks on itself as one whose job is to create or appreciate music.
• If a man's sense of "I" is defined by something, it is quite possible he does it on the ground. It is not necessary.
• A student asks whether the person would know. He may.

• The soul has a clear sense in these matters whether or not the person is consciously aware of it.

"The readings from Karkamsa are for helping the person. They are not necessarily for understanding the person as he himself knows. You may be able to give some insights that the person may or may not have realized before."

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