BPHS Ch.16 Verse 12 — Many Children Combo, Gulika vs Mandi Debate (PVNR vs Sanjay Rath) & D7 Saptamsa Application

Verse 12 — Many Children

"Sute jna jiva shukraih cha sabalair avalokite, bhavanti bahavah putrah suteshe hi balanvite"

• Jna = the one who knows = Mercury. Jiva = Jupiter. (Kavi is the usual word for Venus; here the verse says Shukra.)
• Sabalaih avalokite — the 5th house is aspected by a strong Mercury, Jupiter and Venus. They need not be together. Occupation is always counted as a kind of aspect, so occupying the 5th also qualifies.
• Suteshe hi balanvite — the 5th lord is also strong.

→ Bahavah putrah — many children.

The class stops at verse 12 and continues from verse 13 in the next lesson.

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Gulika and Mandi — Definition and Controversy

Verse 9 needs Mandi, and how Mandi is found is disputed.

Two Views

• The teacher, from his reading of Parashara: Mandi and Gulika are the same. They are two names for one upagraha, the way Saturn is called Shani in one verse and Manda in another. Parashara uses the word Mandi in several places and never defines how to find it; he defines only Gulika.
• Sanjay Rath: Mandi and Gulika are two different entities, and he computes them differently from Parashara. The teacher had earlier passed on this teaching to the class; he now presents the other view.

Parashara's Definition (BPHS Chapter 3, from verse 66)

1. At the place of birth, divide the day (sunrise to sunset) into 8 equal parts. Divide the night (sunset to next sunrise) into 8 equal parts likewise. With a 12-hour day each part is about an hour and a half.
2. By day, the parts are ruled in weekday order starting from the lord of the weekday. Seven parts have lords. The 8th is nirisha — it has no lord.
3. By night, start from the 5th planet from the weekday lord. On a Monday night: Venus first, then Saturn, then the lordless part, then Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter.
4. Each planet's part has an upagraha:

1. The lagna rising at the moment Saturn's part begins is the longitude of Gulika.

"When Saturn's portion starts, you take the beginning time of that portion and see what is the lagna, what is rising at that time. Gulika will be rising at that time."

Day or Night Portion?

• In the software: a daytime birth uses the daytime Saturn portion, a night birth the night one — even when that portion comes later than the birth. Born at 8 in the morning with Saturn's portion beginning at 3:30 in the afternoon: Gulika is still the lagna rising at 3:30.
• Another interpretation, which the teacher finds very logical but had not yet put in the software: Gulika rises when Saturn's portion starts and stays at that longitude until Saturn's next portion starts. He changes position at the start of each Saturn portion, not at sunrise and sunset. The same would apply to the other upagrahas.

Sanjay Rath's Definition

• He takes the Sun through Saturn as the seven lords and treats the 8th, lordless part as Gulika's.
• Of Gulika and Mandi he takes one as rising at the beginning of the part and one in the middle.
• Parashara says Gulika rises in Saturn's part, exactly as Kala rises in the Sun's, Mrityu in Mars's, Ardha Praharaka in Mercury's and Yamaghantaka in Jupiter's. He is an offspring of his planet like the other upagrahas.
• Jagannatha Hora lets you choose Saturn's part or the 8th part, and the beginning, middle or end of the part, for Gulika and for the other upagrahas. The default is Parashara's definition.

"Bottom line is, I disagree with Sanjay ji simply because Parashara said otherwise. Not because I have done thorough research and I am convinced. In this particular matter I haven't."

The teacher has no final word. Upagrahas are an area where more work is needed.

Where Gulika/Mandi and the Upagrahas Are Used

A student asks where they have ever been used.

• As negative planets.
• A Vimshottari dasha can be started from Mandi's longitude.
• Parashara gives combinations with Yamaghantaka and Ardha Praharaka, to be covered later. These two matter in financial matters such as stock markets.
• Research on them has been unreliable, perhaps because people are not using the right definition.

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Using the 5th-House Verses in the Rasi Chart and in Saptamsa

• Odd lagna in D-7: the first child is the 5th house counted forward.
• Even lagna in D-7: count backward. For Scorpio lagna the first child's lord is the Moon.
• The lord of the child's house in the 2nd from that house (5th lord in the 6th for an odd lagna; 9th lord in the 8th for an even lagna) is in its maraka sthana: the first child may not survive.
• Verse 10 may likewise apply to a child when Sun and Moon share sign and amsa in that child's house in D-7 (the teacher's speculation).

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