BPHS Ch.24 — 8th Lord in Houses 1–3: No Physical Comfort + Irreligious (1H), Physically Weak + Loses Wealth Permanently (2H), No Brother Happiness + Lazy + Independent Servants (3H) & Why 2nd/7th Are Maraka Sthanas

8th Lord in Lagna, the 2nd and the 3rd

The theme of these verses, in the teacher's words:

"Irrespective of which house you are talking about, 8th lord situation in that house basically ruins that house. That is the theme, unless he decides to change the track with some house and tries to give the other possibility."

For each verse the method is the same: take the stated results one by one, and find the house from which the placement explains it.

8th Lord in 1st House (Verse 85)

Results stated:

• Tanu-saukhya-vivarjitaḥ — no comfort of the body
• Devānāṃ brāhmaṇānāṃ ca nindakaḥ — one who blames, is hostile to, gods and brāhmaṇas
• Vraṇa-saṃyutaḥ — has wounds, or long-term things like cancer; chronic illness

Who is a brāhmaṇa here: not one born in the caste. One who is a brāhmaṇa by conduct and thinking — one who pursues Brahman. Insulting gods or insulting such a person is insulting religion. So the result means: irreligious, disrespectful to tradition, the opposite of godly.

No bodily comfort:

• Lagna is the physical body. The lord of the house of destruction from it sits in it.

"It's like an enemy coming to your house. So somebody who wants to destroy you, he has control over you."

Wounds and chronic disease:

• The 8th is the house of chronic diseases and diseases that are hard to cure. Its lord in lagna puts them on the body.

Hostile to religion:

• Count from the 9th house of dharma. The 8th lord in lagna is in the 5th from the 9th: he has argala on the 9th and sits in the house of pūrva-puṇya of religion.
• But he is the 12th lord from the 9th — the lord of loss of dharma, of giving it up. In general the 8th is the house of irreligion, of compromise in dharma.
• The other side: dharma and mokṣa are different things. The 8th is a mokṣa trikoṇa; counted from the 9th this planet is the 12th lord, of mokṣa, placed in a trine. He can give occult insight, and with it the dropping of some trappings of religion.
• Dharma is needed at the start; without it one is nowhere near mokṣa. But the end goal is mokṣa. Every rule has a purpose in a particular time, place and situation; holding to the letter of a rule without understanding the thinking behind it leads to something bad in the long run. So the 8th can also be the house of advanced religion, where one understands what religion is for.
• A positive result is therefore possible. Parāśara gives the other angle: as 12th lord from the 9th he shows giving up dharma.

"That planet being in lagna, that is his nature. His nature is breaking of dharma."

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8th Lord in 2nd House (Verse 86)

Results stated:

• Bāhu-bala-hīnaḥ — without strength of the shoulders; weak
• Dhanaṃ tasya bhavet svalpam — he has very little money
• Naṣṭa-vittaṃ na labhyate — wealth that is lost is not got back. Some people lose money and recover it in cycles; this one loses it and does not get it back.

Little money, and what is lost stays lost:

• Take the 2nd house of money as lagna. The 8th lord is the 7th lord from the 2nd, placed in the 2nd itself — in "lagna" as far as money goes, so he has a great impact on it.
• The 7th shows desire and it shows death; it is a māraka sthāna.
• Money is something accumulated, so the upacaya lords counted from the 2nd (3rd, 6th, 10th, 11th) are the ones that build it. This planet is not one of them. He is the māraka lord.
• As lord of desire he can give "I want money, I want money". He does not help accumulate it.
• The native may start out with a lot of money. Unless other combinations help, this planet does not let it grow.

"He is conducive to killing the money, destroying the money of the person, destroying the wealth of the person, ending the wealth of the person."

Weak:

• The 8th lord in the 2nd has argala on lagna, which does not show good health.
• Strength and vitality are seen from the 3rd house. From the 3rd, this planet is the 6th lord placed in the 12th.
• Like wealth, boldness and vitality are accumulated, so upacayas from the 3rd matter. He is an upacaya lord from the 3rd, but he sits in the 12th from it, the house of loss.
• Whatever it owns, a planet in the 2nd is not conducive to much initiative and vitality, because the 2nd is the house of loss of the 3rd.

A māraka daśā:

• As 8th lord in the 2nd he is a māraka. As 8th lord in the 12th from the 3rd he is a māraka. The verse says only "not strong". The teacher goes further:

"Actually he can die also during that time. … This planet is bad and this dasha is bad."

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8th Lord in 3rd House (Verse 87)

Results stated:

• Bhrātṛ-saukhyaṃ na jāyate — no happiness from brothers and sisters
• Sālasyaḥ — endowed with ālasya; lazy
• Bhṛtya-hīnaḥ — without servants
• Bala-varjitaḥ — without strength

No happiness from siblings, lazy, weak:

• The 8th is a dusthāna; whichever house its lord goes to is weakened. The 3rd is the house of vitality, strength, initiative and brothers. All of them suffer.
• Laziness and initiative are opposites. With initiative you are a doer; without it you are lazy. Laziness is a plain 3rd-house result.

Without servants:

• The 5th house is followers. People who take your orders and do the work are the 6th house.
• Take the 6th as lagna. The 8th lord in the 3rd is the 3rd lord from the 6th, placed in the 10th from the 6th.
• The 3rd lord is the servant's initiative; the 10th is his karma. The servants put their initiative into what they do. They decide what to do, they are a little aggressive in it, they have a mind of their own, and they are not good at taking orders.
• The teacher asks whether Parāśara should be taken with a pinch of salt here, and reads it so:

"It is not necessary that he doesn't have any servants, but the servants he has are not really like servants. … They won't listen to him. They will have a mind of their own. So it's as good as he doesn't have any servants."

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Why the 2nd and 7th Are Māraka Sthānas

This comes up inside the 2nd-house verse, when the teacher explains the weakness.

"3rd and 8th are the houses of life, and the 12th house from both of them, the 2nd and 7th, they are the Marakasthanas because it is the house of loss of vitality."

• The 2nd is the 12th from the 3rd; the 7th is the 12th from the 8th.
• For vitality and initiative, loss is very detrimental. So the 12th from the 3rd is very detrimental to the 3rd.
• Hence any planet in the 2nd, whatever it owns, takes away from initiative and vitality.
• The 7th is a māraka sthāna "especially for the 2nd house" when the 2nd is taken as lagna for money: the 7th lord from the 2nd kills wealth.

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